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XYZ Probe Plus with VFDs and other ground-loop inducing components

Discussion in 'General Talk' started by juansierra, Apr 24, 2020.

  1. sergiomajluf

    sergiomajluf Well-Known
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    I've had the sme issue since always, but learnt to live with it. Basically I unplug my VFD whenever I needed to probe (mostly in the middle of jobs, changing bits)... which is cumbersome and feels unstable, because every once in a while my controller crashes when doing this ... until...


    I just tried my very same cnc/controller/vfd/probe setup, except this time with my laptop, unplugged from the AC mains and voila!

    Time to get a USB optoisolator then.

    edit: BTW, and this might help other diagnose the problem. I had another issue, the trackpad of my cnc computer was unstable too. Didn't give it much thought asuming it was just "airborne" EMI from the VFD. Well, I just changed the laptop power supply's cable to an unearthed one, and problem begone. Time to resucitate my intent of having home swithces too!
     
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  2. JonnyO

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    I had the same problem with my XYZ probe using an HP SFF PC. When I switched back to an old Surface Pro 3 it had no problems at all. Picked up a USB in-line isolator and everything has been problem-free ever since.

    Thanks to everyone that contributed to this thread, most of all to Peter for putting up with all of us. :)
     
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  3. Joe D

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    I have an X32 Blackbox that has similar problems. I have been using it for a few months now and it was all working fine. Now my XYZ Plus probe has the green LEDS on any time the ground wire is touching the spindle. I have disconnected everything from the Blackbox except for the Power plug, the Probe plug and the Computer connection to my laptop. If I disconnect the computer cord then the green LEDS go out. Im believing there might be a short in the Blackbox. I have also completely replaced every wire including the wires from the VFD, all the motor wires, all the limit switch wires and the computer connection wire. I had changed nothing from when it was all working and when it started failing.
    Thanks for any help.
     
  4. Peter Van Der Walt

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    That rather indicates a short through the PC - try a different PC, or if the computer has 2-pin power plug - try flipping it around.
     
  5. Adam Jelinek

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    I don't understand the grounding of ac and dc. With my spindle am I not to ground it to the vfd?
     
  6. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Spindle should be EARTHED

    DC GND should be a seperate domain

    Having a short between the two (thats supposed to be isolated from each other - high voltage mains vs low voltage DC) is dangerous.


    Unplug things one at a time until probe (good test, could use a multimeter too but probe is a quick indicator of a problem) until problem clears up. Could be endstops mounted incorrectly, failing PSU in a desktop PC or Monitor, etc
     
  7. Adam Jelinek

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    Unplugging the usb from my laptop turned the probe off. Unplugged each motor limits witch didn't change anything.
     
  8. Peter Van Der Walt

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    Then laptop PSU might have a short. Try on battery only.
    Try flipping 2-pin plug on laptop PSU in socket (Neutral Earth bonds exists, if plugged in wrong way round it might leak current)
     
  9. Adam Jelinek

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    The laptop only had a 2 prong plug. Will try battery only
     
  10. Peter Van Der Walt

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    making it easy to reverse live/neutral, try plugging it in 180deg from current orientation
     
  11. Adam Jelinek

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    It doesn't come apart at all. With it unplugged it still have the probe lights on. So I'm assuming a usb insulator would be needed. Now. With the vfd grounded to the outlet. Where would the proper place to ground the cnc it's self? Can I go to an outlet ground at well?
     
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  12. Adam Jelinek

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    Issure resolved. Wasn't my usb. I had 2 limit switch grounding out through the bolt. Added a small plastic spacer and all is good
     

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