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High Torque Steppers with 24VDC BB Power supply

Discussion in 'General Talk' started by Scott Lay, Jan 18, 2021.

  1. Scott Lay

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    I am looking at upgrading to a larger stepper motor. I currently have the BB electronics package and am using all 4 standard NEMA 23 steppers. I have recently converted to ball screws and linear rails and am noticing that every once in a while the steppers grind under load, which in turn I lose steps. I have also played with the speed settings and have noticed if I go above 3000mm\min, the steppers instantly do not like it.

    3 questions. Would the current 24VDC power supply handle the HT steppers or would I need to upgrade my power supply? Reading through the forums, some people found going to a higher voltage was better.

    If I would need to upgrade the power supply, is there a wiring schematic available so that I am able to use the BB controller still?

    If I can use my current power supply, is there an adjustment to help reduce the missed steps under load?
     
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    It will handle it just fine!

    Adjust acceleration and max-rate settings: gnea/grbl - bigger motor = more inertia to spin up against
     
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    I did play with these settings and have them adjusted to the point they work. I would like faster travel speed and more torque. Torque over speed so that I do not have the slippage.

    This is why I am looking at the larger steppers.
     
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    Are you saying the high torque will handle it fine or my existing steppers? My existing steppers do not like to go above a certain point. I have not adjusted the POT settings on the controller as of yet either.
     
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    Well, both requires the same effort of tuning acceleration. Bigger motors have more torque, but slighly slower acceleration values too. Its all a matter of tuning them.

    Default pot adjustment is good for most machines but you can always dial in a little more - but its not a magical thing, acceleration values is more important - you want it as high as it can go, but not so high that the machine stalls out before it reached Max Rate either
     
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    FWIW I have a mix of regular and HTs on my workbee running a BB. I had to give the HTs a tad more power.
     
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    Thank you sir! Appreciate the feedback. I will play with the regular ones and see what I can do with some additional tuning before spending the additional money on the HT steppers.
     
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    Good to know! Thank you!
     
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    I am thinking that I will need to do the same on the standard steppers since I have linear rails and ball screws now. Thoughts?
     
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    Whats the pitch on your ballscrews, that may cause the top speed issue. Our leadscrews move 8mm/rotation
     
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    5mm
     
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    So we can do around 6000mm/mm
    5/8 * 6000 = 3750mm/min just from the low pitch
    Factor in the extra weight of spinning a 1605 (compared to our 8*8 screws) ... Not much to be gained.

    High torques will do a little better
     
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