Welcome to Our Community

Some features disabled for guests. Register Today.

3d maps

Discussion in 'General Talk' started by ROY DAVIES, May 23, 2024.

  1. ROY DAVIES

    Builder

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2020
    Messages:
    28
    Likes Received:
    2
    Hi there from sunny (NOT) sheffield UK.....can anyone help this old dood with this project idea

    Im a former geog teacher who really wants to make some cool 3d mountain carvings in lovely oak on my workbee cnc

    Its been inoperable for the last year due to the conroller f****ing up

    The KIND FOLK at openbuilds sent me an old new one and HURRAH i'm up and jogging again.......using openbuilds CONTROL as the interface to the machine as before.

    Soooo Ive had the idea of the 3d maps and started the research....found out about Terrain2STL software and got myself a cool 3d STL file of Snowdon (highest mtn in Wales)

    So now i want to import the STL file into CONTROL and get it routed......have tried but am getting confused....any tips thanks ROY
     
    #1 ROY DAVIES, May 23, 2024
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2024
  2. Misterg

    Misterg Veteran
    Staff Member Moderator Builder Resident Builder

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2022
    Messages:
    350
    Likes Received:
    273
    You need a CAM program that takes the STL file and produces the tool paths/gcode to feed to Control. I know that Fusion 360 *can* do it, but I don't think it's ideal, and there must be others.

    One problem you may have is that the STL has too many facets ("triangles") for the CAM program - it may be hundreds of thousands, but (IIRC) Fusion 360 gets very confused over ~10,000. You may need to use something like 'Meshmixer' and/or 'Blender' (free programs) to clean up and reduce the number of facets to something manageable before feeding it to the CAM program.

    It can be a bit complicated, but there are quite a few Youtube videos on the whole process.

    One example, but there are many:



    (Snowdon, btw, and its the highest mountain in Wales and England :p)

    Andy
    (In Wales ;) )
     
    David the swarfer likes this.
  3. Peter Van Der Walt

    Peter Van Der Walt OpenBuilds Team
    Staff Member Moderator Builder Resident Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    14,868
    Likes Received:
    4,283
    Giarc and Misterg like this.
  4. Giarc

    Giarc OpenBuilds Team
    Staff Member Moderator Builder Resident Builder

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2015
    Messages:
    3,002
    Likes Received:
    1,676
    Vectric software makes working with stl files really easy.
     
  5. Steve mehrlich

    Builder

    Joined:
    Nov 24, 2020
    Messages:
    24
    Likes Received:
    23
    i found touch terrain a little easier to use than terrain to stl.
    yes fusion struggles with massively detailed stls .
    i found that its best to get the stl file out of touch terrain as close to the final size that you want hence reducing any work you have to do in fusion.
    below is one i ran recently of the fairfield horse shoe in the lake district. about 150 x 150 x 30mm in oak.
    PXL_20240512_204715148.MP.jpg
     
  6. EvanH

    EvanH Well-Known
    Builder

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2022
    Messages:
    75
    Likes Received:
    43
    Estlcam can pull in STL files and generate appropriate roughing and finishing tool paths. I cut a 200mm x 200mm 3D map of Pembrokeshire in Oak from the garden.
     
  7. ROY DAVIES

    Builder

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2020
    Messages:
    28
    Likes Received:
    2
    thanks people for your help

    Ive managed to get STL files off touch terrain and sort gcode via carveco which is easily imported into openbuilds

    UNFORTUNATELY!!! the job starts ok then after about 30 mins of cutting the roughing path goes t*ts up and loses the zero mark then starts cutting in mid air away from the stock!!

    any one any clues as to whats going wrong

    i could restart he cutting after aborting the job, re-centering /re-zeroing and staring from where it failed (i can see in the gcode editor where it stops but dont know how to jump to that line without running all the code from line 1 !!!)

    AGGGGGh its so frustrating!

    any help would be apreciated
     
  8. Peter Van Der Walt

    Peter Van Der Walt OpenBuilds Team
    Staff Member Moderator Builder Resident Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    14,868
    Likes Received:
    4,283
    Loss of position could be

    1) Wiring (intermittent loss of connection from a loose terminal or damaged cable): docs:blackbox-x32:faq-identify-motor-coils [OpenBuilds Documentation]
    2) Mechanical binding (check wheels, leadscrews, nutblocks - all smooth no binding?)
    3) Acceleration or Max Rate set too high for the offending axis that looses position: Grbl v1.1 Configuration and Grbl v1.1 Configuration
    Wizards and Tools > Recover stopped/crashed Job - but make the machine reliable first.

    upload_2024-7-12_19-12-7.png
     
    David the swarfer likes this.
  9. David the swarfer

    David the swarfer OpenBuilds Team
    Staff Member Moderator Builder Resident Builder

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2013
    Messages:
    3,430
    Likes Received:
    1,907
    cutting up in the air means Z lost position.
    how hot does the Z motor get? if you cannot touch it for 5 seconds it is too hot, wich means it is getting too much current, which means the driver is probably also getting hot and may be shutting down to self protect.

    more likely is that the max rate and acceleration of the Z axis is too high for the weight or for the cutting forces. How hard is it plunging down during the cut? if it is too fast it will miss some steps, resulting in cutting too high for the rest of the file, as you describe.
    solutions:
    make sure you are using a center cutting bit that is sharp and clean
    make sure you are doing a sensible roughing cut so the finishing bit doe snot have to work hard.
    reduce plunge feedrate to give it time to cut and clear chips.
    reduce maxrate and acceleration (in GRBL settings) to give it breathing room, esp acceleration in this case, reduce to 75% of current value and test.
     
  10. Peter Van Der Walt

    Peter Van Der Walt OpenBuilds Team
    Staff Member Moderator Builder Resident Builder

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    14,868
    Likes Received:
    4,283
    On BlackBox that shuts down the driver, lights up the Fault LED. Stays faulted until power cycled. OP can check it its lit
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice