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Help needed! Machine crashes on 3d milling

Discussion in 'CNC Mills/Routers' started by mirko1986, Apr 27, 2022.

  1. mirko1986

    mirko1986 New
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    Hei everyone. Sorry my english is very bad, but maybe somebody can help. I have strange issue with my hobby cnc. I tried to 3d mill serving plate. First setup adaptive clearing worked well, but second setup 3d parallel starts good but suddenly it cuts trough my stock and deep to spoilboard(10mm). Bottom height is model height and simulation dosent show this issue. I checked all settings 4 times but it does everytime this. I add pictures from settings and small video also how it crashes. It seems that something resets zero middle of operation because before starting i reset zero to upper left stock corner. After issue i ask to return to zero,but it goes to same spot on xy-axes, but on z-axe it is about 10mm lower
     
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    Here is pictures and video
     

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    I believe your Z axis is losing steps, or maybe a shaft coupler is slipping.
    Check the shaft coupler to make sure 1 of the screws is firmly against the flat on the shaft so it cannot slip.

    If it is losing steps you may have heard a 'strange noise' during a retract move. In this case you need to do 1 or more of
    - increase the current to the Z stepper motor (if it gets too hot to touch that is too much!)
    - decrease the Z max rate and Z acceleration settings. (especially in light of your 4000mm/minute feedrate), decrease acceleration by 25% and test, if that fails then reduce by another 25%, and so on.

    Also, please use the OpenBuilds Fusion 360 postprocessor if your controller is GRBL based.
    docs:software:fusion360 [OpenBuilds Documentation]
    Your Gcode is doing some odd moves, like at the start
    G0 Z15
    Z-4.77
    which means it rapid moves 4mm into the wood. This kind of rapid cut can easily cause missed steps though in this case it would make the Z 'too high' on later cuts. (EDIT: this move makes sense after the adaptive clearing roughing cut, ok)

    I would like to see your Fusion360 file to get a closer look at how you have set up this CAM.
     
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    David the swarfer OpenBuilds Team
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    Does it do this in the same place every time?
     
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    Super thanks for so detailed answer:thumbsup: I try to chekck everything on next week :)
    I start use OpenBuilds Fusion 360 postprocessor.
    Also fusion file is attached
     

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    David the swarfer OpenBuilds Team
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    Thankyou

    I was right, that -4mm Z plunge on the finishing is a problem because the roughing did not cut the shape out to the edge, only to the inside of the bottom flat portion of the model.
    upload_2022-5-1_17-6-16.png
    You can see the tool is red in the simulation, this means it is 'crashing' the tool into the material during a rapid move.

    To solve this the roughing geometry must be selected as the outside of the model. A refinement to make the finishing pass easier is to add an offset so it cuts slightly outside the outline.
    upload_2022-5-1_17-8-52.png
    The green line is the selected geometry so it roughs all of the bowl shape.
    Then you can see 2mm in the 'additional offset' box, the label is obscured by the hint text just under 'Tool containment'

    I also changed some other settings, reduced the ;layer height a little so that the final cut is a real cut not a scrape. Increased the non cutting feedrate, reduced the heights so it does not retract so far which is just a waste of time. changed the minimum stepdowns too, no need to be as fine as 0.5mm. I also changed the 'stay down' parameters so it stays down instead of lifting up all the time, this saves a lot of cutting time. now a 46 minute cut instead of 1H30:00 or so.

    passes tab
    upload_2022-5-1_17-13-58.png

    linking tab
    upload_2022-5-1_17-14-35.png

    So now the end of the roughing looks like this with cuts that actually overlap the outside of the bowl so the finishing pass can cut right to the edge easily.
    upload_2022-5-1_17-18-4.png

    The finishing toolpath does not need multiple depths, the roughing is leaving 0.5 to 1mm for it to cut, so I turned that off.
    upload_2022-5-1_17-22-45.png

    so the finishing looks like this
    upload_2022-5-1_17-24-15.png
    and does not generate any collisions in the simulation and is now down to 31 minutes cut time.
    upload_2022-5-1_17-25-17.png
    you can see that the finishing (bright green) does not cut as far as the roughing cut because of the additional 2mm offset, this makes for smooth entry and exit at each end of the passes.
    If cutting a hardwood I would even increase the offset more to give more space for the finishing.
     
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    Thank you very much for your help:thumbsup: It still goes crazy on first 10 seconds when doing 3d parallel. But everything works with 3d scallop function :) I just started learn cnc milling and got good tips from you ;)
     

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